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"Re: Eligibility"
Feb-13-11, 09:21 PM (CST)
I know this type of question has been asked previously but cannot find the post...
Can an 8th grader who transfers out from his public school to a private school mid year (Jan 2011), be eligible to play varsity sports in the fall of 2011 or have to wait one year (Jan 2012) to be able to play any varsity sports?


 

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  RE: Re: Eligibility swarmpress0 Feb-14-11 1
     RE: Re: Eligibility Fielddawg Feb-14-11 2
         RE: Re: Eligibility Hortdaddy Feb-14-11 3
         RE: Re: Eligibility Clifford55 Apr-26-11 5
  RE: Re: Eligibility iknownuthing Feb-17-11 4
     RE: Re: Eligibility Clifford55 Apr-26-11 6
         RE: Re: Eligibility iknownuthing Apr-28-11 7
             RE: Re: Eligibility Clifford55 May-03-11 8
                 RE: Re: Eligibility iknownuthing May-03-11 9

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1. "RE: Re: Eligibility"
Feb-14-11, 09:50 AM (CST)
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I'm pretty sure the kid WOULD be eligible. I don't think if transferring to a private school, the kid's parents would have to move into that school zone. Because, (and somebody correct me if i'm wrong) there is no attendance zone for a private school. I believe that is correct but lord knows i've been wrong before.


 

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2. "RE: Re: Eligibility"
Feb-14-11, 10:38 AM (CST)
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My understanding of this is

the Kid would not be eligible until January 2012- Private schools don't have an attendance zone, but in order for a kid to move public to private and play now. The private school would have to be in the same zone as the public school. but some have appealed to LHSAA and they have rule the kids eligible. My suggestion would be talk with admission people at the private school and with the folks at LHSAA before I would make any moves.


 

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3. "RE: Re: Eligibility"
Feb-14-11, 08:11 PM (CST)
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Fielddawg, just to say this, privates do have a attendance zone,,, they share a zone with a pubic so a child and parents can legally move into that zone and be eligible. Calvary shares one with Woodlawn,,, Evangel shares one with Huntington, and I am going to assume that Loyola shares one with Byrd as that is the closest public school that I can think of. Now if you go to a private before the 8th grade year then a child is eligible right away in varsity football if you live outside the zone.


 

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5. "RE: Re: Eligibility"
Apr-26-11, 03:34 PM (CST)
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Fielddawg and Hortdaddy, I was reading your responses to the gentleman's question. Fielddawg you may remember, I posted an elgibility question last December. Anyway, my situation was that my son had attended Parkview Baptist in BR for his freshman year(2009-2010). At that time he was not eligible to participate in any level of sports. At that time the LHSAA rule was that a student who attends a school outside of his home attendance zone cannot play for one year. Not even on the freshman squads. He can practice, but cannot play. The following year the LHSAA changed its rules and now will allow a freshman to play on the freshman teams. That's not my issue. My issue is that my son attended Belaire High School, which is his home attendance zone public school, from August, 2010, until late November, 2010.(Played no sports) We put him back in at Parkview on November 29th. The pricipal indicated that under LHSAA rules he would not be eligible to play varsity sports until a year from the date of his re-enrollment at Parkview, which would be November, 2011. I asked that they get a ruling and the ruling was that pusuant to a rule(i forget the number at this time) that provides that a student who attends a school outside of his home attedance zone and leaves that school, any period of time spent at the first school,in this case Parkview, is negated. In other words, that whole year that he sat out is negated. To me that's as if he never attended there. How can you lose eligibility that you legally, under the rules, obtained. The key here, is that he attended Parkview which is outside of his home attendance zone. Under normal circumstances, I understand that rule. However, there is no private high school in our home attendance zone for a kid to go if he chooses to attend a school other than the public school. So in this instance every kid who attends a private or public middle school in the Belaire HS(public) home attendance zone and wishes to go to a private high school, will always have to attend a school outside of his home attendance zone. Parkview has not appealed, but I will draft a letter to Mr. Henry asking him to look at it again, for my son's sake. Asking him to look at it as a hardship case, in that those kids have no choice but to attend a private school outside of their home attendance zone, if they want to attend a private school.

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4. "RE: Re: Eligibility"
Feb-17-11, 04:54 PM (CST)
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>I know this type of question has been asked previously but
>cannot find the post...
>Can an 8th grader who transfers out from his public school
>to a private school mid year (Jan 2011), be eligible to play
>varsity sports in the fall of 2011 or have to wait one year
>(Jan 2012) to be able to play any varsity sports?

I have quite a bit of experience with this question.

If the student resides in the private school's attendance zone, then it does not matter where he attended middle school. He is immediately eligible because it is considered his home school zone. If the private school resides outside of his home attendance zone and he transfered during his 8th grade year, he must sit out for a period of time as determined by the LHSAA. This is what caused the problem for the freshman baseball player at St. Louis last year. He transfered to St. Louis which was outside of his attendance zone, and he should have sat out. The LHSAA ruled that he had to sit out until the day he was removed from the varsity at ST. Louis. this year he will be eligible for baseball with about 6 regular season games remaining. (if he is still at St. Louis).

If you attend a public middle school which is outside your zone, then you must sit out a year. If you transfer to a private school before middle school you will be immediately eligible.

Example t boy lives in Broussard. He attended a St. Thomas More feeder school all his life. He enrolls at Teurlings, he is ineligible for 1 full year.

Example 2, t toot, also lives in Broussard. He attended Broussard Middle school and NEVER attended a private school a day in his life. T toot enrolls at STM, he is immediately eligible because it is his home zone.

Example 3 Po boy lives in St. Martinville and he went to St. Martinville JR High. His mama gets a job with the lafayette parish school board during the summer between his 8th and 9th grade year serving on the lunch line at Northside high. He is ineligible his 9th grade year but goes on to be an all state selection in basketball two years later. Here we have special circumstance, because they asked for a hardship waiver, to allow him to ride to school with his mama. The school principal accepted him into the school but because he lived out of zone he had to sit out a year.

this are actual cases that I have personal knowledge of, I changed the names to protect the innocent.

Finally the last example. Boot lives in south Lafayette, went to Fatima in 6th grade, St. Genevive in 7th grade and then Cathedral in 8th grade. Fatima and Cathedral are STM feeders. St. Gen is a Teurlings feeder. He enrolled and attended STM not his home attendance zone, it would be Lafayette High, but because he came from the diocese feeder system from STM, he was eligible. He transfered to Teurlings 2 months after school starts after recieving a visit form the Teurlings head coach. Of course this is strickly denied by the school, but there are witnesses to the event. He is eligible at Teurlings, why becaused the LHSAA looks to the controlling authority for the schools to determine eligiblity. The diocese of Lafayette has a rule, if there is no Dioscean high school in your home attendanc zone you can attend ANY school in the diocese. There is no catholic high school in the attendance zone for Acadiana, Lafayette High or Carencro High school, so a student from any of these schools attendance zone may enroll at either STM, Teurlings or Notre Dame and be immediately eligible. Northside has Teurlings and Comeaux has STM.

I know this has confused you even more, but the best thing is to ask for a ruling before you step on ANY field as a varsity player. Or you could just go ahead and risk it.


 

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6. "RE: Re: Eligibility"
Apr-26-11, 05:10 PM (CST)
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iknownuthing, I like your last example. Please read my post, just done today on this thread. I wish the LHSAA would look at adopting the same type of rule as the diocese has done when it comes to kids who live in an attendance zone that does not have a private school. If you read my post, you can see what has happened in my son's case.

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7. "RE: Re: Eligibility"
Apr-28-11, 04:55 PM (CST)
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>iknownuthing, I like your last example. Please read my post,
>just done today on this thread. I wish the LHSAA would look
>at adopting the same type of rule as the diocese has done
>when it comes to kids who live in an attendance zone that
>does not have a private school. If you read my post, you
>can see what has happened in my son's case.

yes, but there is a key difference between your issue, which I remember from your earlier post and my very real example. Your son went from public (home zone 8th) to private (9th)out of zone back to public (home zone) then back to private.

In my example the kid never leaves the local private system. Here the ruling authority would have to have multiple campuses that all come under a single authority. Baptist, Independents and Penticostals do not have a diocese, they have autonimy. You give up one to get the other. If your son had lived in Lafayette, and went to one of the protestant schools, (there are 6 or 7 in the Lafayette area) and then to a Catholic school he would be ineligible.


 

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8. "RE: Re: Eligibility"
May-03-11, 08:47 AM (CST)
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Thanks for your reply. Question: If the LHSAA had a rule that provided as follows: If a middle schooler does not have a private school in his home attendance zone, then such student shall be eligible to attend any private school outside of that home attendance zone. This school of first choice shall be considered, for the purposes of LHSAA eligibility as a "school within the student's home attendance zone".

In other words, a middle schooler who does not have a private high school in his home attendance zone should be allowed to choose any private school to attend and that school should be considered as being within the student's home attendance zone. By virtue of the fact that it was the student's first school of choice. If the student transfer out, after gaining eligbility and then comes back, he should still be elgible based upon the fact that he gained eligibility there in the first place.

In my son's case, the LHSAA used Rule 1.14.6 to rule that he was ineligible. That rule basically provides that when a student attends a school located outside of his/her attendance zone and then transfers to another school, that student negates the time in attendance established at the school located outside of his attendance zone. My problem with that is how can you lose eligibility that you, under LHSAA rules, legitimately obtained. It's as though he never attended school there.

I believe that in order to be fair to students who do not have a private school in their home attendance zone, the LHSAA should assign those middle schools to a private school or allow the students to pick their school of first choice. I think the second option is the better of the two. In the first option, the LHSAA would be between a rock and a hard place, because they would be in the position of deciding what school to assign. No matter what school they chose, someone is not going to be happy.

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9. "RE: Re: Eligibility"
May-03-11, 09:37 AM (CST)
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I sympathize with your plight. But the LHSAA is being consistant in their rulings. Here is another actual example that I know, and how the LHSAA ruled.

Sha Put attended Fatima School in Lafayette all of his life. When he reached his final year there he registered at STM. His parents reside in the Lafayette High zone. As a freshman he is ruled eligible to play at STM his freshman year because he 1. never attended a public school (intent to stay in the system) 2. attended an STM designated feeder school. 3. Lafayette High does not have a Private Catholic High School within its attendance zone.

When Sha Put reached his Junior year (after his sophmore year was completed) his parents felt he would not be eligible for TOPS as STM was too streneous for him educationally. He was not failing mind you but it was obvious he would have around a 2.1 2.2 GPA. Sha Put was transfered to Lafayette High were his grades were recalculated using the LHS grade system, and he now had a 3.4GPA. He was declared immediately eligible. Sha Put's parents became very upset when the Lafayette High Coach told Sha Put (who was number 1 on the STM depth chart) that he would not see any playing time his Jr. year. Sha Put's poppa told him to tough it out as the Sr. would graduate and he would be the starter the next year. After his JR. season was over and Lafayette High had a terrible year, the coaches moved a Sophmore over Sha Put and his dad went ballistic. He tried to move Sha Put back to STM, which promptly informed him that he would not be eligible if he moved back.

Sha Put stayed at Lafayette High, the Sophmore sprained an ankle in the jamboree, and Sha Put was a starter his senior year. He then went on to play college ball at a region D 1AA type school in south Louisiana.

The fact that he was eligible and played at STM became a mout point once he transfered to his home zone public school. Once you leave a system those days cannot be recaptured.

I know it does not match your sons situation exactly, but to be consistant, the LHSAA must rule that once you leave a private school for a public school you have eligibility to play at the public school and any move to a private institution outside of your public school zone would make you ineligible. While I am a supporter of privazation of education. I think that it is a correct ruling.

What is a shame is that parents make moves that are not based on the rules are facts, and move their kids without checking the circumstance.


 

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